, increasing taxes by 1.6 trillion dollars, that's not a deal that the american people can live with. it's not about grover norquist and not raising taxes, it's about going to the table and cutting a real deal. >> dick? >> i guess what i say is, what do the republicans want to cut? i mean, have they backed off the paul ryan plan to cut medicare have they backed off the plan for social security, and what is the plan? i think the president and the democrats and the country are waiting to hear. he made an offer. i'm a lawyer and deal with this and the other side why and we move to the middle. where is the republican plan. >> kelly: hold on a minute. you try to find that common ground. >> right. >> kelly: that common ground is so necessary now, which is why it goes back to my first question. the american people are begging congress and the president to act responsibly and we've got 30 days from now. what the heck is going on in washington? >> listen, the president has offered a base to start with, but it's pretty laughable. again, offering more surplus money and 1.6 trillion dollars of ta